Round 8 · 1965

Autodromo Nazionale di Monza

Monza, Italy · September 12, 1965 · Circuit History · Wikipedia

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The race, in perspective

Race debrief

What did we expect after qualifying—and who beat it?

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23 stored results 23/23 Elo snapshots 23/23 numbered grid slots 0/23 qualifying results
Elo × qualifying → race result

Did they beat the expectation?

A strong driver recovering from a poor qualifying position isn't automatically a surprise. This model estimates a finish from both inputs, then compares it with what happened.

Experimental · v1

Expected finish assumes a classified finish. DNFs stay in the full grid but receive no performance verdict. Qualifying is not the starting grid; grid differences are flagged, not silently substituted.

This race has insufficient earlier history: 0/20 races and 0/200 classified finishes with Elo and qualifying. Estimates are withheld.

0/23 entrants have an estimate. Missing Elo or qualifying stays visible below; a grid position is not used as a qualifying result.

Top 3

Beat the estimate

No comparable estimates available for this race yet.

Flop 3

Below the estimate

No comparable estimates available for this race yet.

0/23 entrants assessed. Up to three per side, ranked by expected minus actual finish. DNFs, missing estimates and gaps rounding to 0.0 are excluded. “Flop” means below the model's estimate—not poor driving. A ranked gap can still be inside the usual error range.

Full grid: pre-race Elo rank, qualifying position, estimated finish, actual result and difference from expectation. Positive differences mean finishing ahead of the estimate.
DriverPre-race EloQualifyingExpectedResultP1 ← position → P23vs expectedReading
J. StewartBRM #62286 No error range P1 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. HillBRM #22497 No error range P2 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
D. GurneyBrabham-Climax #32361 No error range P3 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
L. BandiniFerrari #72236 No error range P4 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
B. McLarenCooper-Climax #132132 No error range P5 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. AttwoodLotus-BRM #182039 No error range P6 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. BonnierBrabham-Climax #122153 No error range P7 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. RindtCooper-Climax #152129 No error range P8 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
I. IrelandLotus-BRM #172091 No error range P9 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. ClarkLotus-Climax #12597 No error range DNFFuel pump Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. SpenceLotus-Climax #52287 No error range DNFAlternator Not assessedQualifying unavailable
N. VaccarellaFerrari #102163 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. BussinelloBRM #231840 No error range DNFOil pressure Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. GintherHonda #112160 No error range DNFIgnition Not assessedQualifying unavailable
D. HulmeBrabham-Climax #162128 No error range DNFSuspension Not assessedQualifying unavailable
F. GardnerBrabham-BRM #201996 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. SiffertBrabham-BRM #82205 No error range DNFGearbox Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. RussoLotus-Climax #211943 No error range DNFGearbox Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. SurteesFerrari #42338 No error range DNFClutch Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. BucknumHonda #221932 No error range DNFIgnition Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. GregoryBRM #142131 No error range DNFGearbox Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. BaghettiBrabham-Climax #92194 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. BassiBRM #192000 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
How useful is the model? See the historical check

There is not enough earlier history for a rolling hold-out check yet.

The range scales the 80th percentile of earlier held-out absolute errors to this field size, rounding outward. It is an empirical error guide, not a guaranteed 80% chance for a particular driver. We require at least five checked races and 100 checked finishes before showing it.

Inputs are field-normalised Elo rank and qualifying position. The target is position among all race entries, trained only on classified finishers. Estimates are averages, not a unique predicted finishing order. Penalties, the circuit, weather, incidents and strategy aren't model inputs. Historical qualifying coverage is patchy; this is an exploratory backtest on corrected records, not proof of live forecasting accuracy.

The rating ledger

What changed in Elo?

These are actual rating changes. The expectation model above does not change Elo or fantasy scoring.

Largest Elo gain

Attwood+114.7 Elo

Largest Elo loss

Surtees−142.0 Elo

Largest grid-to-finish gain

Ireland+9 places

The bigger picture

Championship after this round

Top five in the stored standings. Points include sprint results where applicable.

  1. 1 Clark 54pts 0
  2. 2 Hill 34pts 0
  3. 3 Stewart 33pts 0
  4. 4 Surtees 17pts 0
  5. 5 Gurney 13pts 0

Movement since round 7. A dash means the earlier standing is unavailable.

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Across the garage

Teammate results

Two-driver constructor entries from this race. A result comparison, not an adjustment for strategy or reliability.

Honda

GintherDNF−23.9 Elo
BucknumDNF−26.0 Elo

Non-finish recorded; no finishing gap comparison.

What this analysis can—and cannot—tell you

This debrief is calculated from stored results and rating snapshots. The experimental expectation model learns from earlier races only, using Elo rank and qualifying together; it never feeds back into Elo. It is not a separately reviewed race report.

Elo uses the result order, including retirements. It does not isolate driver skill from the car, reliability, penalties or strategy. Elo seed comparisons use pre-race ratings, never today's ratings. Equal ratings share the midpoint of their rank range (for example, tied first and second become seed 1.5).

Grid gains use numbered starting slots and classified finishes only. Zero or missing grid values are excluded; a position gained is not necessarily an overtake. Qualifying gaps use the latest segment both teammates have a valid time for, never Q1 against Q3.

Lap-by-lap pace, tyre stints, pit-stop execution and safety-car effects are not available in this report. Missing data is omitted, not inferred.

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Non-finishes

Race

Qualifying

# Driver Grid +/- Points Season Pts Season # Elo Change Elo
P1 🇬🇧 J.Stewart 3 +2 +9 33 P3 +94.6 2,380
P2 🇬🇧 G.Hill 4 +2 +6 34 P2 +28.9 2,526
P3 🇺🇸 D.Gurney 9 +6 +4 13 P5 +48.0 2,409
P4 🇮🇹 L.Bandini 5 +1 +3 10 P6 +73.7 2,309
P5 🇳🇿 B.McLaren 11 +6 +2 10 P7 +96.1 2,228
P6 🇬🇧 R.Attwood 13 +7 +1 1 P14 +114.7 2,153
P7 🇸🇪 J.Bonnier 14 +7 0 0 P15 +64.6 2,217
P8 🇦🇹 J.Rindt 7 -1 0 3 P11 +60.2 2,190
P9 🇬🇧 I.Ireland 18 +9 0 0 P19 +60.8 2,152
DNF 🇬🇧 J.Clark 1 0 54 P1 -85.8 2,512
DNF 🇬🇧 M.Spence 8 0 6 P8 -28.5 2,258
DNF 🇮🇹 N.Vaccarella 15 0 0 P25 -0.2 2,163
DNF 🇮🇹 R.Bussinello 21 0 0 P26 +81.3 1,921
DNF 🇺🇸 R.Ginther 17 0 2 P13 -23.9 2,136
DNF 🇳🇿 D.Hulme 12 0 5 P10 -25.3 2,103
DNF 🇦🇺 F.Gardner 16 0 0 P16 +4.9 2,001
DNF 🇨🇭 J.Siffert 10 0 2 P12 -75.8 2,129
DNF 🇮🇹 G.Russo 20 0 0 P34 -4.4 1,938
DNF 🇬🇧 J.Surtees 2 0 17 P4 -142.0 2,196
DNF 🇺🇸 R.Bucknum 6 0 0 P31 -26.0 1,906
DNF 🇺🇸 M.Gregory 23 0 0 P17 -99.9 2,031
DNF 🇮🇹 G.Baghetti 19 0 0 P37 -133.7 2,061
DNF 🇮🇹 G.Bassi 22 0 0 P40 -82.1 1,918

Qualifying results are not available for this race.

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