Round 12 · 1968

Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez

Mexico City, Mexico · November 03, 1968 · Circuit History · Wikipedia

Kings of this circuit
The race, in perspective

Race debrief

What did we expect after qualifying—and who beat it?

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21 stored results 21/21 Elo snapshots 21/21 numbered grid slots 0/21 qualifying results
Elo × qualifying → race result

Did they beat the expectation?

A strong driver recovering from a poor qualifying position isn't automatically a surprise. This model estimates a finish from both inputs, then compares it with what happened.

Experimental · v1

Expected finish assumes a classified finish. DNFs stay in the full grid but receive no performance verdict. Qualifying is not the starting grid; grid differences are flagged, not silently substituted.

This race has insufficient earlier history: 0/20 races and 0/200 classified finishes with Elo and qualifying. Estimates are withheld.

0/21 entrants have an estimate. Missing Elo or qualifying stays visible below; a grid position is not used as a qualifying result.

Top 3

Beat the estimate

No comparable estimates available for this race yet.

Flop 3

Below the estimate

No comparable estimates available for this race yet.

0/21 entrants assessed. Up to three per side, ranked by expected minus actual finish. DNFs, missing estimates and gaps rounding to 0.0 are excluded. “Flop” means below the model's estimate—not poor driving. A ranked gap can still be inside the usual error range.

Full grid: pre-race Elo rank, qualifying position, estimated finish, actual result and difference from expectation. Positive differences mean finishing ahead of the estimate.
DriverPre-race EloQualifyingExpectedResultP1 ← position → P21vs expectedReading
G. HillLotus-Ford #32267 No error range P1 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
B. McLarenMcLaren-Ford #42230 No error range P2 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. OliverLotus-Ford #191998 No error range P3 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
P. RodríguezBRM #62177 No error range P4 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. BonnierHonda #201986 No error range P5 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. SiffertLotus-Ford #72176 No error range P6 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. StewartMatra-Ford #12363 No error range P7 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
V. ElfordCooper-BRM #172046 No error range P8 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
H. PescaroloMatra #182035 No error range P9 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. BrabhamBrabham-Repco #152091 No error range DNFOil pressure Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. Servoz-GavinMatra-Ford #102112 No error range DNFIgnition Not assessedQualifying unavailable
D. GurneyMcLaren-Ford #122105 No error range DNFSuspension Not assessedQualifying unavailable
P. CourageBRM #82165 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
L. BianchiCooper-BRM #142096 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. SurteesHonda #92117 No error range DNFOverheating Not assessedQualifying unavailable
C. AmonFerrari #162076 No error range DNFTransmission Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. SolanaLotus-Ford #211913 No error range DNFBroken wing Not assessedQualifying unavailable
D. HulmeMcLaren-Ford #22345 No error range DNFSuspension Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. BeltoiseMatra #112107 No error range DNFSuspension Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. IckxFerrari #52202 No error range DNFIgnition Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. RindtBrabham-Repco #132104 No error range DNFIgnition Not assessedQualifying unavailable
How useful is the model? See the historical check

There is not enough earlier history for a rolling hold-out check yet.

The range scales the 80th percentile of earlier held-out absolute errors to this field size, rounding outward. It is an empirical error guide, not a guaranteed 80% chance for a particular driver. We require at least five checked races and 100 checked finishes before showing it.

Inputs are field-normalised Elo rank and qualifying position. The target is position among all race entries, trained only on classified finishers. Estimates are averages, not a unique predicted finishing order. Penalties, the circuit, weather, incidents and strategy aren't model inputs. Historical qualifying coverage is patchy; this is an exploratory backtest on corrected records, not proof of live forecasting accuracy.

The rating ledger

What changed in Elo?

These are actual rating changes. The expectation model above does not change Elo or fantasy scoring.

Largest Elo gain

Oliver+123.3 Elo

Largest Elo loss

Hulme−133.5 Elo

Largest grid-to-finish gain

Bonnier+13 places

The bigger picture

Championship after this round

Top five in the stored standings. Points include sprint results where applicable.

  1. 1 Hill 48pts 0
  2. 2 Stewart 36pts 0
  3. 3 Hulme 33pts 0
  4. 4 Ickx 27pts 0
  5. 5 McLaren 22pts 0

Movement since round 11. A dash means the earlier standing is unavailable.

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Across the garage

Teammate results

Two-driver constructor entries from this race. A result comparison, not an adjustment for strategy or reliability.

Honda

BonnierP5+105.0 Elo
SurteesDNF−39.6 Elo

Non-finish recorded; no finishing gap comparison.

Ferrari

AmonDNF−38.4 Elo
IckxDNF−118.5 Elo

Non-finish recorded; no finishing gap comparison.

What this analysis can—and cannot—tell you

This debrief is calculated from stored results and rating snapshots. The experimental expectation model learns from earlier races only, using Elo rank and qualifying together; it never feeds back into Elo. It is not a separately reviewed race report.

Elo uses the result order, including retirements. It does not isolate driver skill from the car, reliability, penalties or strategy. Elo seed comparisons use pre-race ratings, never today's ratings. Equal ratings share the midpoint of their rank range (for example, tied first and second become seed 1.5).

Grid gains use numbered starting slots and classified finishes only. Zero or missing grid values are excluded; a position gained is not necessarily an overtake. Qualifying gaps use the latest segment both teammates have a valid time for, never Q1 against Q3.

Lap-by-lap pace, tyre stints, pit-stop execution and safety-car effects are not available in this report. Missing data is omitted, not inferred.

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Race

Qualifying

# Driver Grid +/- Points Season Pts Season # Elo Change Elo
P1 🇬🇧 G.Hill 3 +2 +9 48 P1 +67.8 2,334
P2 🇳🇿 B.McLaren 9 +7 +6 22 P5 +66.9 2,297
P3 🇬🇧 J.Oliver 14 +11 +4 6 P15 +123.3 2,121
P4 🇲🇽 P.Rodríguez 12 +8 +3 18 P6 +60.7 2,237
P5 🇸🇪 J.Bonnier 18 +13 +2 3 P22 +105.0 2,091
P6 🇨🇭 J.Siffert 1 -5 +1 12 P7 +39.5 2,215
P7 🇬🇧 J.Stewart 7 0 36 P2 -19.5 2,344
P8 🇬🇧 V.Elford 17 +9 0 5 P18 +56.2 2,102
P9 🇫🇷 H.Pescarolo 20 +11 0 0 P25 +48.6 2,084
DNF 🇦🇺 J.Brabham 8 0 2 P23 +21.8 2,113
DNF 🇫🇷 J.Servoz-Gavin 16 0 6 P14 +4.6 2,117
DNF 🇺🇸 D.Gurney 5 0 3 P21 -3.8 2,101
DNF 🇬🇧 P.Courage 19 0 4 P20 -32.3 2,132
DNF 🇧🇪 L.Bianchi 21 0 5 P17 -22.8 2,073
DNF 🇬🇧 J.Surtees 6 0 12 P8 -39.6 2,077
DNF 🇳🇿 C.Amon 2 0 10 P10 -38.4 2,038
DNF 🇲🇽 M.Solana 11 0 0 P35 -6.1 1,907
DNF 🇳🇿 D.Hulme 4 0 33 P3 -133.5 2,211
DNF 🇫🇷 J.Beltoise 13 0 11 P9 -79.8 2,028
DNF 🇧🇪 J.Ickx 15 0 27 P4 -118.5 2,084
DNF 🇦🇹 J.Rindt 10 0 8 P12 -100.2 2,004

Qualifying results are not available for this race.

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