Round 6 · 1961

Nürburgring

Nürburg, Germany · August 06, 1961 · Circuit History · Wikipedia

Kings of this circuit
The race, in perspective

Race debrief

What did we expect after qualifying—and who beat it?

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33 stored results 33/33 Elo snapshots 26/33 numbered grid slots 0/33 qualifying results
Elo × qualifying → race result

Did they beat the expectation?

A strong driver recovering from a poor qualifying position isn't automatically a surprise. This model estimates a finish from both inputs, then compares it with what happened.

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Expected finish assumes a classified finish. DNFs stay in the full grid but receive no performance verdict. Qualifying is not the starting grid; grid differences are flagged, not silently substituted.

This race has insufficient earlier history: 0/20 races and 0/200 classified finishes with Elo and qualifying. Estimates are withheld.

0/33 entrants have an estimate. Missing Elo or qualifying stays visible below; a grid position is not used as a qualifying result.

Top 3

Beat the estimate

No comparable estimates available for this race yet.

Flop 3

Below the estimate

No comparable estimates available for this race yet.

0/33 entrants assessed. Up to three per side, ranked by expected minus actual finish. DNFs, missing estimates and gaps rounding to 0.0 are excluded. “Flop” means below the model's estimate—not poor driving. A ranked gap can still be inside the usual error range.

Full grid: pre-race Elo rank, qualifying position, estimated finish, actual result and difference from expectation. Positive differences mean finishing ahead of the estimate.
DriverPre-race EloQualifyingExpectedResultP1 ← position → P33vs expectedReading
S. MossLotus-Climax #132127 No error range P1 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
W. von TripsFerrari #22378 No error range P2 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
P. HillFerrari #12465 No error range P3 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. ClarkLotus-Climax #102197 No error range P4 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. SurteesCooper-Climax #271961 No error range P5 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
B. McLarenCooper-Climax #62287 No error range P6 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
D. GurneyPorsche #42355 No error range P7 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. GintherFerrari #32358 No error range P8 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. LewisCooper-Climax #331886 No error range P9 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. SalvadoriCooper-Climax #72266 No error range P10 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
T. MaggsLotus-Climax #192084 No error range P11 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
I. BurgessCooper-Climax #212050 No error range P12 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
H. HerrmannPorsche #311888 No error range P13 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
C. de BeaufortPorsche #182085 No error range P14 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
T. MarshLotus-Climax #301927 No error range P15 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. AshmoreLotus-Climax #321887 No error range P16 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
W. MairesseFerrari #222032 No error range DNFAccident Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. TrintignantCooper-Maserati #122145 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
B. CollombCooper-Climax #281954 No error range NCNot classified Not assessedQualifying unavailable
L. BandiniCooper-Maserati #172106 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
T. BrooksBRM #142126 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. BonnierPorsche #52328 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
W. SeidelLotus-Climax #291939 No error range DNFHandling Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. HillBRM #202075 No error range DNFAccident Not assessedQualifying unavailable
I. IrelandLotus-Climax #82248 No error range DNFHeat shield fire Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. BrabhamCooper-Climax #92231 No error range DNFAccident Not assessedQualifying unavailable
E. BarthPorsche #152122 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. GregoryCooper-Climax #112169 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. MayLotus-Climax #162116 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
P. MonteverdiMBM #24.52000 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. PirocchiCooper-Climax #24.52000 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. DukeCooper-Climax #24.52000 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. Campbell-JonesCooper-Climax #24.52000 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
How useful is the model? See the historical check

There is not enough earlier history for a rolling hold-out check yet.

The range scales the 80th percentile of earlier held-out absolute errors to this field size, rounding outward. It is an empirical error guide, not a guaranteed 80% chance for a particular driver. We require at least five checked races and 100 checked finishes before showing it.

Inputs are field-normalised Elo rank and qualifying position. The target is position among all race entries, trained only on classified finishers. Estimates are averages, not a unique predicted finishing order. Penalties, the circuit, weather, incidents and strategy aren't model inputs. Historical qualifying coverage is patchy; this is an exploratory backtest on corrected records, not proof of live forecasting accuracy.

The rating ledger

What changed in Elo?

These are actual rating changes. The expectation model above does not change Elo or fantasy scoring.

Largest Elo gain

Surtees+227.5 Elo

Largest Elo loss

Brabham−173.8 Elo

Largest grid-to-finish gain

Burgess+12 places

The bigger picture

Championship after this round

Top five in the stored standings. Points include sprint results where applicable.

  1. 1 von Trips 33pts 0
  2. 2 Hill 29pts 0
  3. 3 Moss 21pts +1
  4. 4 Ginther 16pts −1
  5. 5 Clark 11pts +2

Movement since round 5. A dash means the earlier standing is unavailable.

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Across the garage

Teammate results

Two-driver constructor entries from this race. A result comparison, not an adjustment for strategy or reliability.

BRM

BrooksDNF−58.6 Elo
HillDNF−70.6 Elo

Non-finish recorded; no finishing gap comparison.

What this analysis can—and cannot—tell you

This debrief is calculated from stored results and rating snapshots. The experimental expectation model learns from earlier races only, using Elo rank and qualifying together; it never feeds back into Elo. It is not a separately reviewed race report.

Elo uses the result order, including retirements. It does not isolate driver skill from the car, reliability, penalties or strategy. Elo seed comparisons use pre-race ratings, never today's ratings. Equal ratings share the midpoint of their rank range (for example, tied first and second become seed 1.5).

Grid gains use numbered starting slots and classified finishes only. Zero or missing grid values are excluded; a position gained is not necessarily an overtake. Qualifying gaps use the latest segment both teammates have a valid time for, never Q1 against Q3.

Lap-by-lap pace, tyre stints, pit-stop execution and safety-car effects are not available in this report. Missing data is omitted, not inferred.

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Race

Qualifying

# Driver Grid +/- Points Season Pts Season # Elo Change Elo
P1 🇬🇧 S.Moss 3 +2 +9 21 P3 +195.9 2,322
P2 🇩🇪 W.von Trips 5 +3 +6 33 P1 +70.5 2,449
P3 🇺🇸 P.Hill 1 -2 +4 29 P2 +30.6 2,496
P4 🇬🇧 J.Clark 8 +4 +3 11 P5 +122.3 2,320
P5 🇬🇧 J.Surtees 10 +5 +2 4 P9 +227.5 2,188
P6 🇳🇿 B.McLaren 12 +6 +1 4 P10 +55.4 2,342
P7 🇺🇸 D.Gurney 7 0 9 P7 +15.4 2,370
P8 🇺🇸 R.Ginther 14 +6 0 16 P4 +1.4 2,359
P9 🇬🇧 J.Lewis 18 +9 0 0 P19 +208.9 2,095
P10 🇬🇧 R.Salvadori 15 +5 0 1 P14 +13.8 2,280
P11 🇿🇦 T.Maggs 22 +11 0 0 P23 +90.6 2,174
P12 🇬🇧 I.Burgess 24 +12 0 0 P26 +94.9 2,145
P13 🇩🇪 H.Herrmann 11 -2 0 0 P20 +157.3 2,045
P14 🇳🇱 C.de Beaufort 17 +3 0 0 P24 +51.7 2,137
P15 🇬🇧 T.Marsh 20 +5 0 0 P29 +115.4 2,043
P16 🇬🇧 G.Ashmore 25 +9 0 0 P31 +119.7 2,006
DNF 🇧🇪 W.Mairesse 13 0 0 P33 +40.3 2,073
DNF 🇫🇷 M.Trintignant 21 0 0 P16 -29.9 2,115
NC 🇫🇷 B.Collomb 26 0 0 P35 +52.7 2,006
DNF 🇮🇹 L.Bandini 19 0 0 P27 -35.5 2,071
DNF 🇬🇧 T.Brooks 9 0 0 P18 -58.6 2,068
DNF 🇸🇪 J.Bonnier 4 0 2 P13 -165.2 2,163
DNF 🇩🇪 W.Seidel 23 0 0 P32 +8.5 1,947
DNF 🇬🇧 G.Hill 16 0 1 P15 -70.6 2,005
DNF 🇬🇧 I.Ireland 6 0 3 P11 -169.2 2,079
DNF 🇦🇺 J.Brabham 2 0 4 P8 -173.8 2,057
DNS 🇩🇪 E.Barth 0 0 0 P38 -132.5 1,989
DNS 🇺🇸 M.Gregory 0 0 0 P21 -169.2 2,000
DNS 🇨🇭 M.May 0 0 0 P25 -154.9 1,961
DNS 🇨🇭 P.Monteverdi 0 0 0 P40 -109.2 1,891
DNS 🇮🇹 R.Pirocchi 0 0 0 P43 -122.0 1,878
DNS 🇬🇧 G.Duke 0 0 0 P44 -134.7 1,865
DNS 🇬🇧 J.Campbell-Jones 0 0 0 P45 -147.4 1,853

Qualifying results are not available for this race.

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