Round 7 · 1961

Autodromo Nazionale di Monza

Monza, Italy · September 10, 1961 · Circuit History · Wikipedia

Kings of this circuit
The race, in perspective

Race debrief

What did we expect after qualifying—and who beat it?

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39 stored results 39/39 Elo snapshots 32/39 numbered grid slots 0/39 qualifying results
Elo × qualifying → race result

Did they beat the expectation?

A strong driver recovering from a poor qualifying position isn't automatically a surprise. This model estimates a finish from both inputs, then compares it with what happened.

Experimental · v1

Expected finish assumes a classified finish. DNFs stay in the full grid but receive no performance verdict. Qualifying is not the starting grid; grid differences are flagged, not silently substituted.

This race has insufficient earlier history: 0/20 races and 0/200 classified finishes with Elo and qualifying. Estimates are withheld.

0/39 entrants have an estimate. Missing Elo or qualifying stays visible below; a grid position is not used as a qualifying result.

Top 3

Beat the estimate

No comparable estimates available for this race yet.

Flop 3

Below the estimate

No comparable estimates available for this race yet.

0/39 entrants assessed. Up to three per side, ranked by expected minus actual finish. DNFs, missing estimates and gaps rounding to 0.0 are excluded. “Flop” means below the model's estimate—not poor driving. A ranked gap can still be inside the usual error range.

Full grid: pre-race Elo rank, qualifying position, estimated finish, actual result and difference from expectation. Positive differences mean finishing ahead of the estimate.
DriverPre-race EloQualifyingExpectedResultP1 ← position → P39vs expectedReading
P. HillFerrari #12496 No error range P1 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
D. GurneyPorsche #32370 No error range P2 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
B. McLarenCooper-Climax #52342 No error range P3 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. LewisCooper-Climax #132095 No error range P4 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
T. BrooksBRM #172068 No error range P5 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. SalvadoriCooper-Climax #82280 No error range P6 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
C. de BeaufortPorsche #112137 No error range P7 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
L. BandiniCooper-Maserati #162071 No error range P8 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. TrintignantCooper-Maserati #122115 No error range P9 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
T. ParnellLotus-Climax #381828 No error range P10 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
H. TaylorLotus-Climax #351909 No error range P11 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. PirocchiCooper-Maserati #361878 No error range P12 Not assessedQualifying unavailable
S. MossLotus-Climax #62322 No error range DNFWheel bearing Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. GintherFerrari #42359 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. StarrabbaLotus-Maserati #242000 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. BonnierPorsche #102163 No error range DNFSuspension Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. RodríguezFerrari #242000 No error range DNFFuel system Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. BaghettiFerrari #142080 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
N. VaccarellaDe Tomaso-Alfa Romeo #242000 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. GregoryLotus-Climax #282000 No error range DNFSuspension Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. HillBRM #202005 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. BrabhamCooper-Climax #182057 No error range DNFOverheating Not assessedQualifying unavailable
B. NaylorJBW #391803 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
I. IrelandLotus-Climax #152079 No error range DNFChassis Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. FairmanCooper-Climax #341936 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. SurteesCooper-Climax #92188 No error range DNFAccident Not assessedQualifying unavailable
W. von TripsFerrari #22449 No error range DNFAccident Not assessedQualifying unavailable
J. ClarkLotus-Climax #72320 No error range DNFAccident Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. BussinelloDe Tomaso-Alfa Romeo #242000 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
W. SeidelLotus-Climax #331947 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
R. LippiDe Tomaso-Osca #242000 No error range DNFEngine Not assessedQualifying unavailable
G. AshmoreLotus-Climax #192006 No error range DNFAccident Not assessedQualifying unavailable
A. PiletteEmeryson #321955 Grid unnumbered No error range DNQDid not qualify Not assessedQualifying unavailable
E. BarthPorsche #291989 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. NatiliCooper-Maserati #371860 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
A. ThieleCooper-Climax #311961 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
E. PrinothLotus-Climax #242000 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. BoffaCooper-Climax #242000 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
M. MayLotus-Climax #301961 Grid unnumbered No error range DNSWithdrew Not assessedQualifying unavailable
How useful is the model? See the historical check

There is not enough earlier history for a rolling hold-out check yet.

The range scales the 80th percentile of earlier held-out absolute errors to this field size, rounding outward. It is an empirical error guide, not a guaranteed 80% chance for a particular driver. We require at least five checked races and 100 checked finishes before showing it.

Inputs are field-normalised Elo rank and qualifying position. The target is position among all race entries, trained only on classified finishers. Estimates are averages, not a unique predicted finishing order. Penalties, the circuit, weather, incidents and strategy aren't model inputs. Historical qualifying coverage is patchy; this is an exploratory backtest on corrected records, not proof of live forecasting accuracy.

The rating ledger

What changed in Elo?

These are actual rating changes. The expectation model above does not change Elo or fantasy scoring.

Largest Elo gain

Parnell+239.2 Elo

Largest grid-to-finish gain

Parnell+17 places

The bigger picture

Championship after this round

Top five in the stored standings. Points include sprint results where applicable.

  1. 1 Hill 34pts +1
  2. 2 von Trips 33pts −1
  3. 3 Moss 21pts 0
  4. 4 Ginther 16pts 0
  5. 5 Gurney 15pts +2

Movement since round 6. A dash means the earlier standing is unavailable.

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Across the garage

Teammate results

Two-driver constructor entries from this race. A result comparison, not an adjustment for strategy or reliability.

BRM

BrooksP5+175.8 Elo
HillDNF+23.5 Elo

Non-finish recorded; no finishing gap comparison.

What this analysis can—and cannot—tell you

This debrief is calculated from stored results and rating snapshots. The experimental expectation model learns from earlier races only, using Elo rank and qualifying together; it never feeds back into Elo. It is not a separately reviewed race report.

Elo uses the result order, including retirements. It does not isolate driver skill from the car, reliability, penalties or strategy. Elo seed comparisons use pre-race ratings, never today's ratings. Equal ratings share the midpoint of their rank range (for example, tied first and second become seed 1.5).

Grid gains use numbered starting slots and classified finishes only. Zero or missing grid values are excluded; a position gained is not necessarily an overtake. Qualifying gaps use the latest segment both teammates have a valid time for, never Q1 against Q3.

Lap-by-lap pace, tyre stints, pit-stop execution and safety-car effects are not available in this report. Missing data is omitted, not inferred.

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Non-finishes

Race

Qualifying

# Driver Grid +/- Points Season Pts Season # Elo Change Elo
P1 🇺🇸 P.Hill 4 +3 +9 34 P1 +47.2 2,543
P2 🇺🇸 D.Gurney 12 +10 +6 15 P5 +71.4 2,441
P3 🇳🇿 B.McLaren 14 +11 +4 8 P8 +69.5 2,412
P4 🇬🇧 J.Lewis 16 +12 +3 3 P11 +172.6 2,268
P5 🇬🇧 T.Brooks 13 +8 +2 2 P15 +175.8 2,244
P6 🇬🇧 R.Salvadori 18 +12 +1 2 P16 +59.1 2,339
P7 🇳🇱 C.de Beaufort 15 +8 0 0 P19 +115.4 2,252
P8 🇮🇹 L.Bandini 21 +13 0 0 P20 +139.2 2,210
P9 🇫🇷 M.Trintignant 22 +13 0 0 P18 +103.4 2,219
P10 🇬🇧 T.Parnell 27 +17 0 0 P25 +239.2 2,068
P11 🇬🇧 H.Taylor 23 +12 0 0 P24 +190.4 2,099
P12 🇮🇹 R.Pirocchi 29 +17 0 0 P29 +193.7 2,072
DNF 🇬🇧 S.Moss 11 0 21 P3 -39.9 2,283
DNF 🇺🇸 R.Ginther 3 0 16 P4 -65.1 2,294
DNF 🇮🇹 G.Starrabba 30 0 0 P35 +96.1 2,096
DNF 🇸🇪 J.Bonnier 8 0 2 P14 -3.0 2,160
DNF 🇲🇽 R.Rodríguez 2 0 0 P37 +72.7 2,073
DNF 🇮🇹 G.Baghetti 6 0 9 P7 +17.5 2,097
DNF 🇮🇹 N.Vaccarella 20 0 0 P40 +49.4 2,049
DNF 🇺🇸 M.Gregory 17 0 0 P23 +37.8 2,038
DNF 🇬🇧 G.Hill 5 0 1 P17 +23.5 2,028
DNF 🇦🇺 J.Brabham 10 0 4 P9 -16.8 2,040
DNF 🇬🇧 B.Naylor 31 0 0 P42 +97.8 1,901
DNF 🇬🇧 I.Ireland 9 0 3 P12 -52.3 2,027
DNF 🇬🇧 J.Fairman 26 0 0 P43 +13.1 1,949
DNF 🇬🇧 J.Surtees 19 0 4 P10 -132.8 2,056
DNF 🇩🇪 W.von Trips 1 0 33 P2 -244.7 2,204
DNF 🇬🇧 J.Clark 7 0 11 P6 -214.0 2,106
DNF 🇮🇹 R.Bussinello 24 0 0 P46 -67.4 1,933
DNF 🇩🇪 W.Seidel 28 0 0 P34 -50.9 1,896
DNF 🇮🇹 R.Lippi 32 0 0 P49 -90.8 1,909
DNF 🇬🇧 G.Ashmore 25 0 0 P33 -105.9 1,900
DNQ 🇧🇪 A.Pilette 0 0 0 P52 -89.9 1,865
DNS 🇩🇪 E.Barth 0 0 0 P44 -119.9 1,869
DNS 🇮🇹 M.Natili 0 0 0 P47 -66.7 1,794
DNS 🇺🇸 A.Thiele 0 0 0 P53 -128.0 1,833
DNS 🇮🇹 E.Prinoth 0 0 0 P54 -160.9 1,839
DNS 🇮🇹 M.Boffa 0 0 0 P55 -172.5 1,827
DNS 🇨🇭 M.May 0 0 0 P27 -163.2 1,798

Qualifying results are not available for this race.

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